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Post by tjsmith on Feb 25, 2011 10:05:12 GMT 1
I just wanted too know if there is any proof that any one of the 4 books are/aren't canon???
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Post by gremlin on Feb 25, 2011 10:07:38 GMT 1
The future bird was on Cutter's matrix.
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Post by tjsmith on Feb 25, 2011 10:20:09 GMT 1
cool
i also think that in a trailer/making of i there was writing saying
ARC - location: England/Russia
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Post by gremlin on Feb 25, 2011 10:27:01 GMT 1
cool i also think that in a trailer/making of i there was writing saying ARC - location: England/Russia Yeah, I saw that yesterday but I think Daybreak did the graphics because they spelt Ciaran's name wrong. Also, I think they got their info from the Primeval Wiki. We might see if they're cannon when SPOILER a T-Rex appears SPOILER. They could say they've seen it before (confirming the novels are cannon) or they could say something like "Wow, I always thought we'd get one some day" like they said about raptors in 2.1, confirming the novels aren't cannon. |
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Post by tjsmith on Feb 25, 2011 10:29:28 GMT 1
great idea
but until that episode i will continue my serach for info
but at least i know that Shadow of the Jaguar is canon!
just need to find info for the others
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Post by AC on Feb 25, 2011 21:52:32 GMT 1
I doubt they'll ever confirm the novels to be either canon or not canon. Maybe some day they'll want to do something that contradicts the novels - this gives them the freedom to do so. I mean, look at it from their point of view - it's their show, and their universe, which they've allowed someone else to contribute to, but they don't want to be tied down by someone else's contribution.
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Post by gremlin on Feb 25, 2011 22:19:47 GMT 1
I've just thought, when SPOILERthe anomalies open worldwide in episode 12SPOILER they will probably have to either aknowledge the novels or ignore them. Or I suppose they could get away with it if they don't look too shocked at it happening whilst not referring to the novels.
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Post by AC on Feb 25, 2011 22:30:46 GMT 1
I think that the British government would be extremely negligent not to have informed any other governments of the anomalies. I mean, first of all, there are several EU states which would have been affected by anomalies off the British coast - Ireland, France, Belgium, Germany, the Netherlands, Denmark and Norway. Then there's the other NATO countries, and the UN Security Council. For Britain to keep the anomalies to themselves would be a very unwise decision.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2011 20:10:56 GMT 1
Though I've never read them, I think that the novels are (or at least should be) non-canon. I just wanted too know if there is any proof that any one of the 4 books are/aren't canon??? There's plenty of debate on this subject, but you now know what I think. As a good example for a contradiction between the TV series and novels, here's an excerpt from another thread: Spoiler: Andrew Lee Potts has confirmed that the first man-made anomaly will be opened by Connor in series 5. But this contradicts with events in Fire and Water because the villain in that novel has anomaly opening devices, although he could've got them from the future. Which means that at least one of the novels is in contradiction with the TV Series already, because the team were clearly surprised by Eve's gadget in Episode 3.9. Why would they be surprised if they had already encountered someone who had a device of that nature??? The future bird was on Cutter's matrix. Someone most likely threw that in for fun. I don't think it proves too much. Interesting trivia though.  cool i also think that in a trailer/making of i there was writing saying ARC - location: England/Russia This could be because whoever edited that video was a massive Primeval geek and is a fan of the books, just like the future bird appearing in the Matrix. cool i also think that in a trailer/making of i there was writing saying ARC - location: England/Russia Yeah, I saw that yesterday but I think Daybreak did the graphics because they spelt Ciaran's name wrong. Also, I think they got their info from the Primeval Wiki. We might see if they're cannon when SPOILER a T-Rex appears SPOILER. They could say they've seen it before (confirming the novels are cannon) or they could say something like "Wow, I always thought we'd get one some day" like they said about raptors in 2.1, confirming the novels aren't cannon. I wondered if they got their info from the Primeval Wiki... Wouldn't that be cool? Now, if Adrian Hodges would just stop by and leave a message on my Wikia talk page... ;D great idea but until that episode i will continue my serach for info but at least i know that Shadow of the Jaguar is canon! just need to find info for the others Like I've said, I'm still not convinced. I doubt they'll ever confirm the novels to be either canon or not canon. Maybe some day they'll want to do something that contradicts the novels - this gives them the freedom to do so. I mean, look at it from their point of view - it's their show, and their universe, which they've allowed someone else to contribute to, but they don't want to be tied down by someone else's contribution. Exactly my thoughts! ;D I've just thought, when SPOILER the anomalies open worldwide in episode 12SPOILER they will probably have to either aknowledge the novels or ignore them. Or I suppose they could get away with it if they don't look too shocked at it happening whilst not referring to the novels. I doubt that this event will reference the novels, but I do think that it is a way of opening the door for the spin-offs. I think that the British government would be extremely negligent not to have informed any other governments of the anomalies. I mean, first of all, there are several EU states which would have been affected by anomalies off the British coast - Ireland, France, Belgium, Germany, the Netherlands, Denmark and Norway. Then there's the other NATO countries, and the UN Security Council. For Britain to keep the anomalies to themselves would be a very unwise decision. It is very interesting plot-wise.  |
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Post by futurepredator on Feb 27, 2011 20:11:38 GMT 1
Aaaah, yeah fair point.
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Post by AC on Feb 27, 2011 20:19:27 GMT 1
But that guy wasn't affiliated with Johnson. I'm almost certain I can remember a scene where SPOILER Lester and Danny have just found out it's him behind it all, and Lester asks if Johnson has anything to do with this; he says something like: 'Christine? What's she got to do with anything?' I think the fact that the villain guy knew of Christine didn't infer that they were affiliated, rather it was just a nice touch to show that these people all travelled in the same circles.
You know what, I'm gonna go into Fire and Water and find that scene...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2011 20:27:16 GMT 1
But that guy wasn't affiliated with Johnson. I'm almost certain I can remember a scene where SPOILER Lester and Danny have just found out it's him behind it all, and Lester asks if Johnson has anything to do with this; he says something like: 'Christine? What's she got to do with anything?' I think the fact that the villain guy knew of Christine didn't infer that they were affiliated, rather it was just a nice touch to show that these people all travelled in the same circles.You know what, I'm gonna go into Fire and Water and find that scene... I don't see what you're talking about, as I was only questioning the canonicity (sp?) of the novels - not the novel baddie's association with Christine.  |
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Post by AC on Feb 27, 2011 20:39:31 GMT 1
First of all: just to clarify, his name is Tom Samuels. (So, another Tom in the Primeverse. Fantastic.)
P199:
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"Let me guess," Lester said, ... "you're working with Christine Johnson."
Samuels looked puzzled.
"Christine? Haven't thought of her in years. Is she even still alive?"
Although, on rereading I also discovered this on P179:
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The room was completely empty. No machinery, no mining equipment, no shaft down into the depths of the earth. So where the hell were they getting the oil from?
His thought was answered by an explosion off orange-pink light, right in the centre of the room. Ted and the soldiers looked away, but Danny and Lester both stared directly at the anomaly.
A controlled anomaly.
"You can call them up whenever you want them," Lester said.
"Maybe we can," said one of the soldiers, shoving him forward.
So yes, these guys can open or close anomalies like Helen. Maybe they had contact with her?
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Post by AC on Feb 27, 2011 20:42:43 GMT 1
What.... but... OK, whatever, it's clarified now.
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Post by mrthermopreacher on Feb 27, 2011 20:56:56 GMT 1
"Christine? Haven't thought of her in years. Is she even still alive?" That confuses me, why would there be any doubt as to whether Christine is alive. She's a civil servant, sure a civil servant that has an anomaly to the future in her HQ but wth. Do anvils regularly fall down on civil servants in the Primeverse? |
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Post by AC on Feb 27, 2011 20:59:52 GMT 1
"Christine? Haven't thought of her in years. Is she even still alive?" That confuses me, why would there be any doubt as to whether Christine is alive. She's a civil servant, sure a civil servant that has an anomaly to the future in her HQ but wth. Do anvils regularly fall down on civil servants in the Primeverse? More regularly than in other universes. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2011 21:29:57 GMT 1
That confuses me, why would there be any doubt as to whether Christine is alive. She's a civil servant, sure a civil servant that has an anomaly to the future in her HQ but wth. Do anvils regularly fall down on civil servants in the Primeverse? More regularly than in other universes. Or maybe, he was in league with her, and that was just his way of trying to throw them off.  Not that I really care.  My question is still the canonicity of the novels. My argument is still that they're non-canon. |
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Post by futurepredator on Feb 27, 2011 21:37:27 GMT 1
There a vulcan mix.
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Post by gremlin on Feb 27, 2011 22:52:17 GMT 1
I suppose they could be canon unless it was specifically mentioned in 3.9 that this was the first time the team had seen anomalies been manipulated.
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Post by gremlin on Feb 28, 2011 16:29:10 GMT 1
First of all: just to clarify, his name is Tom Samuels. (So, another Tom in the Primeverse. Fantastic.) P199: SPOILER "Let me guess," Lester said, ... "you're working with Christine Johnson."
Samuels looked puzzled.
"Christine? Haven't thought of her in years. Is she even still alive?"Although, on rereading I also discovered this on P179: SPOILER The room was completely empty. No machinery, no mining equipment, no shaft down into the depths of the earth. So where the hell were they getting the oil from?
His thought was answered by an explosion off orange-pink light, right in the centre of the room. Ted and the soldiers looked away, but Danny and Lester both stared directly at the anomaly.
A controlled anomaly.
"You can call them up whenever you want them," Lester said.
"Maybe we can," said one of the soldiers, shoving him forward.So yes, these guys can open or close anomalies like Helen. Maybe they had contact with her? Also, didn't Samuels open an anomaly in the ARC (possibly Lester's office but I can't remember)? This suggests that anomalies can be opened anywhere, at least in the novels' canon. |
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